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John Carroll (15-14) -VS- Otterbein University (21-8)

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John Carroll logo
0
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Otterbein University logo
3

John Carroll (15-14)
-VS-
Otterbein University (21-8)

Team Score By Period
Team 1 2 3
John Carroll JCU 25 19 13
Winner Otterbein University OTT 27 25 25
Date:
10/30/2018
Time:
7 p.m.
Site:
Westerville, Ohio (Rike Center)
Attendance:
149
Officials
Scorer: OTT Sports Info
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Match History vs John Carroll

Match Details

Game Statistics By Set
Set John Carroll Otterbein University
K E TA % K E TA %
Set #1 10 4 42 .143 16 8 43 .186
Set #2 12 6 48 .125 15 6 51 .176
Set #3 9 4 37 .135 18 2 37 .432
Total 31 14 127 .134 49 16 131 .252
Team Statistical Comparison
Statistic Team Comparison
JCU - OTT
Points
40.0
56.0
Kills
31
49
Aces
5
5
Blocks
4
2
Assists
29
48
Digs
55
70

Game Leaders

JCU - Leaders
Statistic Leaders
Kills Sarah Calabrese (11), Brooke Hjerpe (11), Audrey Hardig (4)
Aces Becca Fortsch (2), Caitlin Cianciolo (2), Sarah Parey (1)
Blocks Audrey Hardig (3), Sarah Calabrese (2), Cassi Calamunci (2)
Assists Ally Bartolone (16), Rachel Bleile (6), Caitlin Cianciolo (4)
Digs Caitlin Cianciolo (18), Ally Bartolone (9), Sarah Calabrese (7)
OTT - Leaders
Statistic Leaders
Kills Sterett, Hadley (13), Shuk, Emily (10), King-Mendenhall, Alana (8)
Aces Miller, Andrea (2), Sterett, Hadley (1), Leon, Ashlyn (1)
Blocks Sterett, Hadley (1), Shuk, Emily (1), King-Mendenhall, Alana (1)
Assists Miller, Andrea (39), Leon, Ashlyn (5), Sterett, Hadley (2)
Digs Miller, Andrea (18), Leon, Ashlyn (17), Harris, Olivia (9)

Individual Statistics

John Carroll (15-14)

JCU - Individual
# Player SP Attack Set Serve Block Def Rec
K E TA Pct A E SA SE SA-SE BS BA BE DIG BHE RE Pts
7 7 Sarah Calabrese 3 11 5 31 .194 0 0 0 1 0-1 0 2 0 7 0 3 12.0
9 9 Becca Fortsch 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 0 2-0 0 0 0 2 0 1 2.0
11 11 Caitlin Cianciolo 3 0 0 1 .000 4 0 2 1 2-1 0 0 0 18 0 1 2.0
12 12 Rachel Bleile 3 1 0 2 .500 6 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 6 0 0 1.0
14 14 Cassi Calamunci 3 2 4 25 -.080 1 0 0 0 0-0 0 2 0 5 0 0 3.0
17 17 Audrey Hardig 3 4 0 13 .308 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 3 0 5 0 0 5.5
21 21 Ally Bartolone 3 0 1 5 -.200 16 0 0 1 0-1 0 0 0 9 0 0 0.0
22 22 Kailee Herbst 3 1 1 10 .000 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1.0
24 24 Brooke Hjerpe 3 11 2 33 .273 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11.0
25 25 Carleen Ellerbruch 3 0 1 6 -.167 1 0 0 0 0-0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0.5
5 5 Sarah Parey 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.0
6 6 Anna Coughlin 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0.0
27 27 Emma Abfall 1 1 0 1 1.000 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.0
TM TM TEAM 0 0 -
Totals 31 14 127 .134 29 0 5 3 5-3 0 8 0 55 0 5 40
JCU - Individual
# Player SP Block Def Rec Pts
BS BA BE DIG BHE RE
7 7 Sarah Calabrese 3 0 2 0 7 0 3 12.0
9 9 Becca Fortsch 3 0 0 0 2 0 1 2.0
11 11 Caitlin Cianciolo 3 0 0 0 18 0 1 2.0
12 12 Rachel Bleile 3 0 0 0 6 0 0 1.0
14 14 Cassi Calamunci 3 0 2 0 5 0 0 3.0
17 17 Audrey Hardig 3 0 3 0 5 0 0 5.5
21 21 Ally Bartolone 3 0 0 0 9 0 0 0.0
22 22 Kailee Herbst 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 1.0
24 24 Brooke Hjerpe 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 11.0
25 25 Carleen Ellerbruch 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0.5
5 5 Sarah Parey 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.0
6 6 Anna Coughlin 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0.0
27 27 Emma Abfall 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.0
TM TM TEAM 0
Totals 0 8 0 55 0 5 40

Otterbein University (21-8)

OTT - Individual
# Player SP Attack Set Serve Block Def Rec
K E TA Pct A E SA SE SA-SE BS BA BE DIG BHE RE Pts
1 1 Sterett, Hadley 3 13 7 34 .176 2 0 1 1 1-1 0 1 0 8 0 1 14.5
3 3 Miller, Andrea 3 5 0 9 .556 39 0 2 2 2-2 0 0 0 18 0 0 7.0
4 4 Shuk, Emily 3 10 0 15 .667 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 1 0 4 0 0 10.5
6 6 King-Mendenhall, Alana 3 8 1 20 .350 1 0 0 0 0-0 0 1 0 1 0 0 8.5
8 8 Eppard, Tate 3 8 2 22 .273 1 0 0 1 0-1 0 1 0 3 0 0 8.5
18 18 Leon, Ashlyn 3 0 0 0 0 5 0 1 1 1-1 0 0 0 17 0 1 1.0
23 23 Schroer, Kalyn 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1-0 0 0 0 8 0 2 1.0
24 24 Harris, Olivia 3 0 1 5 -.200 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 9 0 1 0.0
7 7 Eippert, Bethany 2 2 0 10 .200 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.0
17 17 Vermilion, Julia 2 3 4 12 -.083 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 2 0 0 3.0
2 2 Sterett, Hillary 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
14 14 Bruyako, Dasha 1 0 1 4 -.250 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
TM TM TEAM 0 0 -
Totals 49 16 131 .252 48 0 5 5 5-5 0 4 0 70 0 5 56
OTT - Individual
# Player SP Block Def Rec Pts
BS BA BE DIG BHE RE
1 1 Sterett, Hadley 3 0 1 0 8 0 1 14.5
3 3 Miller, Andrea 3 0 0 0 18 0 0 7.0
4 4 Shuk, Emily 3 0 1 0 4 0 0 10.5
6 6 King-Mendenhall, Alana 3 0 1 0 1 0 0 8.5
8 8 Eppard, Tate 3 0 1 0 3 0 0 8.5
18 18 Leon, Ashlyn 3 0 0 0 17 0 1 1.0
23 23 Schroer, Kalyn 3 0 0 0 8 0 2 1.0
24 24 Harris, Olivia 3 0 0 0 9 0 1 0.0
7 7 Eippert, Bethany 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.0
17 17 Vermilion, Julia 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 3.0
2 2 Sterett, Hillary 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
14 14 Bruyako, Dasha 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
TM TM TEAM 0
Totals 0 4 0 70 0 5 56

Play By Play

Set #1 Plays

Set #1 Plays
Serve Team JCU - Play Description Visiting Team Score Scoring Team Logo Home Team Score OTT - Play Description
OTT 0 Otterbein University 1 [Andrea Miller] Bad set by Ally Bartolone.
OTT [Andrea Miller] Kill by Sarah Calabrese (from Ally Bartolone). 1 John Carroll 1
JCU 1 Otterbein University 2 [Audrey Hardig] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Hadley Sterett] Service error. 2 John Carroll 2
JCU 2 Otterbein University 3 [Ally Bartolone] Kill by Julia Vermilion (from Hadley Sterett).
OTT 2 Otterbein University 4 [Tate Eppard] Kill by Andrea Miller (from Hadley Sterett).
OTT 2 Otterbein University 5 [Tate Eppard] Attack error by Cassi Calamunci.
OTT [Tate Eppard] Kill by Sarah Calabrese (from Ally Bartolone). 3 John Carroll 5
-- JCU subs: Brooke Hjerpe.
JCU 3 Otterbein University 6 [Sarah Calabrese] Kill by A. King-Mendenhall (from Andrea Miller).
-- OTT subs: Kalyn Schroer.
OTT 3 Otterbein University 7 [Kalyn Schroer] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 3 Otterbein University 8 [Kalyn Schroer] Kill by Julia Vermilion (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Kalyn Schroer] Attack error by Julia Vermilion (block by Cassi Calamunci; Carleen Ellerbruch). 4 John Carroll 8
JCU [Caitlin Cianciolo] Service ace (Hadley Sterett). 5 John Carroll 8
JCU [Caitlin Cianciolo] Attack error by Hadley Sterett. 6 John Carroll 8
JCU 6 Otterbein University 9 [Caitlin Cianciolo] Service error.
-- OTT subs: Olivia Harris.
OTT 6 Otterbein University 10 [Olivia Harris] Bad set by Ally Bartolone.
OTT [Olivia Harris] Kill by Brooke Hjerpe (from Ally Bartolone). 7 John Carroll 10
-- JCU subs: Emma Abfall; Rachel Bleile.
JCU [Rachel Bleile] Attack error by Hadley Sterett. 8 John Carroll 10
JCU 8 Otterbein University 11 [Rachel Bleile] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Emma Abfall (from Rachel Bleile). 9 John Carroll 11
JCU 9 Otterbein University 12 [Becca Fortsch] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 9 Otterbein University 13 [Andrea Miller] Service ace (Becca Fortsch).
OTT [Andrea Miller] Service error. 10 John Carroll 13
JCU 10 Otterbein University 14 [Audrey Hardig] Kill by Emily Shuk (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Hadley Sterett] Kill by Sarah Calabrese (from Caitlin Cianciolo). 11 John Carroll 14
JCU [Ally Bartolone] Attack error by Julia Vermilion. 12 John Carroll 14
JCU 12 Otterbein University 15 [Ally Bartolone] Service error.
OTT [Tate Eppard] Kill by Sarah Calabrese (from Ally Bartolone). 13 John Carroll 15
JCU 13 Otterbein University 16 [Sarah Calabrese] Kill by A. King-Mendenhall (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 13 Otterbein University 17 [Kalyn Schroer] Service ace (Sarah Calabrese).
OTT [Kalyn Schroer] Attack error by Julia Vermilion. 14 John Carroll 17
JCU [Caitlin Cianciolo] Service ace (Kalyn Schroer). 15 John Carroll 17
JCU [Caitlin Cianciolo] Attack error by A. King-Mendenhall. 16 John Carroll 17
JCU [Caitlin Cianciolo] Kill by Brooke Hjerpe (from Ally Bartolone). 17 John Carroll 17
JCU 17 Otterbein University 18 [Caitlin Cianciolo] Bad set by Ally Bartolone.
OTT 17 Otterbein University 19 [Olivia Harris] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from A. King-Mendenhall).
-- Timeout John Carroll.
OTT 17 Otterbein University 20 [Olivia Harris] Attack error by Ally Bartolone.
OTT [Olivia Harris] Kill by Brooke Hjerpe (from Ally Bartolone). 18 John Carroll 20
-- JCU subs: Kailee Herbst; Rachel Bleile.
JCU [Rachel Bleile] Kill by Brooke Hjerpe (from Rachel Bleile). 19 John Carroll 20
JCU 19 Otterbein University 21 [Rachel Bleile] Kill by A. King-Mendenhall (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 19 Otterbein University 22 [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 19 Otterbein University 23 [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Andrea Miller).
-- Timeout John Carroll.
OTT [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Brooke Hjerpe (from Rachel Bleile). 20 John Carroll 23
JCU [Becca Fortsch] Service ace (Ashlyn Leon). 21 John Carroll 23
JCU [Becca Fortsch] Service ace (Olivia Harris). 22 John Carroll 23
-- Timeout Otterbein University.
JCU [Becca Fortsch] Attack error by Tate Eppard (block by Sarah Calabrese; Audrey Hardig). 23 John Carroll 23
JCU [Becca Fortsch] Attack error by Hadley Sterett (block by Sarah Calabrese; Audrey Hardig). 24 John Carroll 23
-- Timeout Otterbein University.
JCU 24 Otterbein University 24 [Becca Fortsch] Attack error by Sarah Calabrese.
OTT [Andrea Miller] Service error. 25 John Carroll 24
-- JCU subs: Sarah Parey.
JCU 25 Otterbein University 25 [Sarah Parey] Kill by Emily Shuk (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 25 Otterbein University 26 [Hadley Sterett] Kill by Emily Shuk (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 25 Otterbein University 27 [Hadley Sterett] Attack error by Sarah Calabrese.

Set #2 Plays

Set #2 Plays
Serve Team JCU - Play Description Visiting Team Score Scoring Team Logo Home Team Score OTT - Play Description
JCU 0 Otterbein University 1 [Becca Fortsch] Kill by Tate Eppard (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Hadley Sterett] Kill by Audrey Hardig (from Ally Bartolone). 1 John Carroll 1
JCU 1 Otterbein University 2 [Audrey Hardig] Kill by Emily Shuk (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 1 Otterbein University 3 [Tate Eppard] Attack error by Sarah Calabrese (block by Emily Shuk; A. King-Mendenhall).
OTT [Tate Eppard] Kill by Sarah Calabrese (from Ally Bartolone). 2 John Carroll 3
JCU 2 Otterbein University 4 [Ally Bartolone] Kill by Julia Vermilion (from Andrea Miller).
-- OTT subs: Kalyn Schroer.
OTT [Kalyn Schroer] Attack error by Julia Vermilion. 3 John Carroll 4
-- JCU subs: Brooke Hjerpe.
JCU 3 Otterbein University 5 [Sarah Calabrese] Service error.
-- OTT subs: Olivia Harris.
OTT [Olivia Harris] Kill by Cassi Calamunci (from Ally Bartolone). 4 John Carroll 5
JCU [Caitlin Cianciolo] Attack error by Hadley Sterett. 5 John Carroll 5
JCU 5 Otterbein University 6 [Caitlin Cianciolo] Bad set by Ally Bartolone.
OTT 5 Otterbein University 7 [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 5 Otterbein University 8 [Ashlyn Leon] Attack error by Cassi Calamunci.
OTT 5 Otterbein University 9 [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Tate Eppard (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 5 Otterbein University 10 [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Tate Eppard (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 5 Otterbein University 11 [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Andrea Miller (from Tate Eppard).
-- Timeout John Carroll.
OTT [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Brooke Hjerpe (from Ally Bartolone). 6 John Carroll 11
-- JCU subs: Rachel Bleile; Kailee Herbst.
JCU 6 Otterbein University 12 [Rachel Bleile] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 6 Otterbein University 13 [Andrea Miller] Attack error by Brooke Hjerpe (block by Hadley Sterett; Tate Eppard).
OTT 6 Otterbein University 14 [Andrea Miller] Service ace (Sarah Calabrese).
OTT [Andrea Miller] Kill by Audrey Hardig (from Rachel Bleile). 7 John Carroll 14
JCU [Becca Fortsch] Attack error by Olivia Harris. 8 John Carroll 14
JCU [Becca Fortsch] Kill by Sarah Calabrese (from Rachel Bleile). 9 John Carroll 14
JCU [Becca Fortsch] Attack error by Hadley Sterett. 10 John Carroll 14
JCU 10 Otterbein University 15 [Becca Fortsch] Kill by Tate Eppard (from Andrea Miller).
-- OTT subs: Bethany Eippert.
OTT 10 Otterbein University 16 [Hadley Sterett] Kill by Bethany Eippert (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Hadley Sterett] Kill by Sarah Calabrese (from Caitlin Cianciolo). 11 John Carroll 16
JCU 11 Otterbein University 17 [Audrey Hardig] Kill by Tate Eppard (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Tate Eppard] Kill by Rachel Bleile (from Becca Fortsch). 12 John Carroll 17
-- JCU subs: Cassi Calamunci; Ally Bartolone.
JCU 12 Otterbein University 18 [Ally Bartolone] Attack error by Cassi Calamunci.
OTT 12 Otterbein University 19 [Kalyn Schroer] Attack error by Sarah Calabrese.
-- Timeout John Carroll.
OTT [Kalyn Schroer] Kill by Sarah Calabrese (from Ally Bartolone). 13 John Carroll 19
JCU 13 Otterbein University 20 [Sarah Calabrese] Attack error by Cassi Calamunci.
OTT [Olivia Harris] Kill by Brooke Hjerpe (from Ally Bartolone). 14 John Carroll 20
JCU [Caitlin Cianciolo] Kill by Brooke Hjerpe (from Ally Bartolone). 15 John Carroll 20
JCU [Caitlin Cianciolo] Attack error by Hadley Sterett (block by Cassi Calamunci; Audrey Hardig). 16 John Carroll 20
JCU 16 Otterbein University 21 [Caitlin Cianciolo] Kill by A. King-Mendenhall (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Ashlyn Leon] Service error. 17 John Carroll 21
JCU [Rachel Bleile] Attack error by Hadley Sterett. 18 John Carroll 21
JCU 18 Otterbein University 22 [Rachel Bleile] Kill by Tate Eppard (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 18 Otterbein University 23 [Andrea Miller] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Ashlyn Leon).
OTT 18 Otterbein University 24 [Andrea Miller] Kill by Emily Shuk (from Andrea Miller).
-- JCU subs: Anna Coughlin.
OTT [Andrea Miller] Kill by Kailee Herbst (from Caitlin Cianciolo). 19 John Carroll 24
JCU 19 Otterbein University 25 [Brooke Hjerpe] Bad set by Sarah Calabrese.

Set #3 Plays

Set #3 Plays
Serve Team JCU - Play Description Visiting Team Score Scoring Team Logo Home Team Score OTT - Play Description
OTT 0 Otterbein University 1 [Andrea Miller] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Ashlyn Leon).
OTT 0 Otterbein University 2 [Andrea Miller] Bad set by Ally Bartolone.
OTT [Andrea Miller] Kill by Audrey Hardig. 1 John Carroll 2
JCU 1 Otterbein University 3 [Audrey Hardig] Kill by Emily Shuk (from Andrea Miller).
-- OTT subs: Bethany Eippert.
OTT 1 Otterbein University 4 [Hadley Sterett] Service ace (Sarah Calabrese).
OTT 1 Otterbein University 5 [Hadley Sterett] Kill by Emily Shuk (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Hadley Sterett] Kill by Cassi Calamunci. 2 John Carroll 5
JCU 2 Otterbein University 6 [Ally Bartolone] Kill by Emily Shuk (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Tate Eppard] Kill by Sarah Calabrese (from Carleen Ellerbruch). 3 John Carroll 6
-- JCU subs: Brooke Hjerpe.
JCU 3 Otterbein University 7 [Sarah Calabrese] Kill by A. King-Mendenhall (from Andrea Miller).
-- OTT subs: Olivia Harris.
OTT 3 Otterbein University 8 [Olivia Harris] Kill by Andrea Miller.
OTT 3 Otterbein University 9 [Olivia Harris] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Andrea Miller).
-- Timeout John Carroll.
-- OTT subs: Hillary Sterett.
OTT 3 Otterbein University 10 [Olivia Harris] Attack error by Carleen Ellerbruch.
OTT 3 Otterbein University 11 [Olivia Harris] Kill by A. King-Mendenhall (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Olivia Harris] Kill by Brooke Hjerpe (from Caitlin Cianciolo). 4 John Carroll 11
JCU 4 Otterbein University 12 [Caitlin Cianciolo] Kill by A. King-Mendenhall (from Andrea Miller).
-- OTT subs: Kalyn Schroer.
OTT [Kalyn Schroer] Kill by Brooke Hjerpe (from Ally Bartolone). 5 John Carroll 12
-- JCU subs: Kailee Herbst.
-- JCU subs: Rachel Bleile.
JCU 5 Otterbein University 13 [Rachel Bleile] Kill by Hadley Sterett (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 5 Otterbein University 14 [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Tate Eppard (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 5 Otterbein University 15 [Ashlyn Leon] Attack error by Brooke Hjerpe.
-- Timeout John Carroll.
OTT 5 Otterbein University 16 [Ashlyn Leon] Attack error by Kailee Herbst.
OTT 5 Otterbein University 17 [Ashlyn Leon] Service ace (Caitlin Cianciolo).
-- JCU subs: Anna Coughlin.
OTT 5 Otterbein University 18 [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Andrea Miller (from Ashlyn Leon).
OTT 5 Otterbein University 19 [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Tate Eppard (from Andrea Miller).
-- OTT subs: Dasha Bruyako.
OTT [Ashlyn Leon] Kill by Audrey Hardig (from Rachel Bleile). 6 John Carroll 19
-- JCU subs: Sarah Calabrese; Becca Fortsch.
JCU 6 Otterbein University 20 [Becca Fortsch] Kill by Andrea Miller (from Ashlyn Leon).
OTT 6 Otterbein University 21 [Andrea Miller] Attack error by Sarah Calabrese.
OTT [Andrea Miller] Kill by Sarah Calabrese (from Ally Bartolone). 7 John Carroll 21
-- JCU subs: Sarah Parey.
JCU [Sarah Parey] Service ace (Kalyn Schroer). 8 John Carroll 21
JCU [Sarah Parey] Attack error by Tate Eppard. 9 John Carroll 21
JCU [Sarah Parey] Attack error by Dasha Bruyako. 10 John Carroll 21
JCU 10 Otterbein University 22 [Sarah Parey] Kill by Emily Shuk (from Andrea Miller).
OTT 10 Otterbein University 23 [Hillary Sterett] Kill by Emily Shuk (from Andrea Miller).
OTT [Hillary Sterett] Kill by Sarah Calabrese (from Ally Bartolone). 11 John Carroll 23
JCU 11 Otterbein University 24 [Ally Bartolone] Kill by Bethany Eippert (from Ashlyn Leon).
OTT [Tate Eppard] Service error. 12 John Carroll 24
JCU [Sarah Calabrese] Kill by Brooke Hjerpe (from Cassi Calamunci). 13 John Carroll 24
JCU 13 Otterbein University 25 [Caitlin Cianciolo] Kill by A. King-Mendenhall (from Andrea Miller).